This spam thing is killing me. - Page 2

meandean · #11 (**permalink**) 11-25-2007, 04:17 AM

I don't mind the pro thing - everyone's entitled to compensation for their time & effort if they want.

HOWEVER, not solving the spam problem will only lead to pligg's eventual demise as the average open source adopter will eventually fork to a product that does support such an essential need in today's over-spammed world.

richrf · #12 (**permalink**) 12-02-2007, 12:51 AM

Hi,

I've put off installing Pligg since the spam would undoubtedly overwhelm me. Even Akismet can be overwhelmed by a spammer. However, Akismet + Bad Behavior seems to work well in stopping spammers. If anyone integrates these two products, I'll also be a customer. However, I think that this has to be done at the core level, otherwise it would probably break with each upgrade.

Rich

chuckroast · #13 (**permalink**) 12-02-2007, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richrf

Hi,

I've put off installing Pligg since the spam would undoubtedly overwhelm me.

Rich

So you've never even installed Pligg? Without even using it you undoubtedly are assuming the worst. Pligg does have spam blocking features called Spam Kill. But you wouldn't know that, since you haven't even used it.
I would guess that most of people in the thread don't know that either.

I loved the post before yours that says

Quote:

HOWEVER, not solving the spam problem will only lead to pligg's eventual demise as the average open source adopter will eventually fork to a product that does support such an essential need in today's over-spammed world.

Another insane statement since Pligg is 2 years old and only keeps growing. Sure spam can be a problem, but no more of a problem than with any other CMS.

Sadly the truth is most of the people complaining about spam in this thread are the people that spend little to no time managing their sites. The fact is proven by them not even knowing what features are available within the system.

richrf · #14 (**permalink**) 12-02-2007, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckroast

Sadly the truth is most of the people complaining about spam in this thread are the people that spend little to no time managing their sites. The fact is proven by them not even knowing what features are available within the system.

Hi,

Thanks for your response.

I am currently running Wordpress on my site. I get about 2000 visits/day with tons of spammers and robots on top of this. The only plug-ins that I have found to be intelligent and adaptive enough to handle the amount of spam I get are Bad Behavior and Akismet. Static protection such as IP blockers and captchas are just wholly inadequate.

Since it takes a lot of work to get a site up and going and rather easy for a spammer to bring it down (by loading the site up with garbage), I have to take a proactive stance myself. That is, I can't afford to learn by repeating past mistakes. I know, from my own experiences, that I need a plugin such as Akismet, that is constantly learning about new spammers, and a product such as Bad Behavior to stop robots at the door. These are excellent solutions and are very popular with many CMS and Wiki products.

Rich

Divisive Cotton · #15 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 01:27 AM

Have the developers thought about using Bad Behaviour? It seems to be quite popular with Wordpress and Joomla users.
I don't know PHP, so it's not a job for me.
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/software/bad-behavior/

beatniak · #16 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 09:52 AM

Just deleted 2 months worth of spam on my own site. Took me 15 minutes after writing 14 lines of code:

Quote:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head><title>Delete spam</title></head><body>
<h1>Delete spam</h1>
<?php
$db = mysql_connect("db_server", "db_user", "db_password");
mysql_select_db("db_name",$db);
$id = $_GET['id'];

if ($id) {$sql="DELETE from pligg_links where link_author=$id";echo "deleted all posts from user ".$id;$result = mysql_query($sql);}
else {echo "no author id selected";}
?>
</body>
</html>

1) Just edit the red stuff to your settings
2) save as deletespam.php
3) upload to your server and set CHMOD to 777
4) open up phpmyadmin > select pligg_links and sort to link_author
5) find the spammers and look for the link_author number
6) when the spammer has link_author = 123, go to mysite.com/deletespam.php?id=123
7) all posts by the spammer are deleted

Notes
- The number on the end is the command for the spammers' user id.
- There's no check whether or not the user is admin
- and no check "do you really want to delete all posts from user x"?
- DON'T LEAVE THE FILE ON YOUR SERVER, BECAUSE ANYONE CAN DELETE ALL POSTS OF USERS
- totals aren't regenerated, so the pagination will have more pages than there are pages

If there's enough demand for a anti-spam module i will add some lines so the admin can access the "delete all posts by this spammer" in an easier and more secure manner.

chuckroast · #17 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 09:59 AM

How is this different from the features already built into Pligg?

beatniak · #18 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 11:07 AM

OMG, never even noticed it was already there in user management

Weird though that those links aren't present when you read a story and click on the user. Would be much more user/admin friendly.

Easy to put it in though. Just paste the code from /template/admin_templates/user_show_center.tpl into /template/user_center.tpl near {if $user_view eq 'profile'}:

Quote:

{if $amIgod || $user_logged_in eq $userdata[nr].user_login || ($userdata[nr].user_level neq 'admin' && $userdata[nr].user_level neq 'god')}

<table style="border:none">
<tr><td><img src="{$my_pligg_base}/templates/{$the_template}/images/user_reset.png" align="absmiddle"/> <a href="?mode=resetpass&user={$userdata[nr].user_login}" onclick="return confirm('{#PLIGG_Visual_View_User_Reset_Pass_Confi rm#}')">{#PLIGG_Visual_View_User_Reset_Pass#}</a></td></tr>
<tr><td><img src="{$my_pligg_base}/templates/{$the_template}/images/user_edit.png" align="absmiddle"/> <a href="?mode=edit&user={$userdata[nr].user_login}">{#PLIGG_Visual_View_User_Edit_Data#} </a></td></tr>
<tr><td><img src="{$my_pligg_base}/templates/{$the_template}/images/user_disable.png" align="absmiddle"/> <a href="?mode=disable&user={$userdata[nr].user_login}">{#PLIGG_Visual_View_User_Disable#}</a></td></tr>
<tr><td><img src="{$my_pligg_base}/templates/{$the_template}/images/user_killspam.png" align="absmiddle"/> <a href="?mode=killspam&user={$userdata[nr].user_login}&id={$userdata[nr].user_id}">{#PLIGG_Visual_View_User_Killspam#}</a></td></tr>
</table>
</fieldset>

{/if}

blaze · #19 (**permalink**) 12-04-2007, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richrf

I know, from my own experiences, that I need a plugin such as Akismet, that is constantly learning about new spammers, and a product such as Bad Behavior to stop robots at the door. These are excellent solutions and are very popular with many CMS and Wiki products.

Rich

Bad Behavior was a ROYAL PAIN IN THE ARSE for me. I had it on my Joomla site last year and yes, it did stopped all robots, that's for sure... including Technorati, Yahoo and any other bots dropping by from being pinged. My feedburner feeds went from good to none after a few short weeks of installing the thing. I have no idea what happened, but it wasn't only me, as many Joomla site owners were complaining about it and ditched it altogether.

I am not sure if it was a bug or not, but what a nightmare it is if they didn't fix it. But damn, Bad Behavior does work, that's for sure! (Ha!) Just be cautious when using it and be watchful for your site, feed reads, pings, etc.

Does anyone know if they actually fixed it and if it runs better now? It waaaaay too sensitive back then.

Edit: Just tested Bad Behavior again on Pligg and it's still waaaaaaaaay too sensitive. I couldn't register because it flagged my IP ADDRESS as a possible spammer. This is the problem with it - it's just too sensitive and will flag ANY IP Address on the blacklist. If your ISP had a spammer on it (which most do), and it got reported, Bad Behavior won't allow you to register. Be cautious if using this on any site.

argh2xxx · #20 (**permalink**) 12-05-2007, 12:41 AM

If you are using apache server, just install mod_secure and I believed that this mod is actually help your server prevents spams somewhat. Just remember to go to Got Root : Welcome and copy the rules to insert into the mod_secure's configuration file. Restart httpd or apache2 after you save the configuration file. Hope this help.

Mod_secure also helps you prevent php's injections, mysql injections, remote attack, command line attack, and so on... Depend on your server setting and your scripts, if you use the exact rule sets on gotroot.com you may encounter a problem such as it's impossible for things to run smoothly, and so I suggest you copy and paste only necessary rules that work with your server's environment well.

Don't blame me if you configure the mod wrong and don't know how to install the mod correctly, and render your server useless, you have been warned! Just google up for more info.

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