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    Member worldwalker's Avatar
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    Question ok. i must be missing something here..

    so today i see, not one, but two people asking for support to sites that clearly is nothing but spam sites. they mention 30.000 users, yet a frontpage "story" posted in 'World News' has 2 votes, and is classic spam about SAT classes in Delhi.

    i see the exact same pattern that the automated pligg submitter ad softwares create. and yet noone seems to acknowledge the fact. is there some webcrawler google ads scheme i don't know about going here or what ?

    surely some of the devs here at pligg providing support MUST have noticed that some of these sites contains nothing but spam?

    i refuse to believe that some admin for a site truely believes that 24k users posting nothing but reviews and commercial content is real people.

    so what is going on ?

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    Pligg Founder/Coder/Designer Yankidank's Avatar
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    Pligg sites will turn into nothing but spam if the admin doesn't bother to moderate content or apply basic anti-spam practices as we suggest. Just like any other script with user submissions (Wordpress comments, vBulletin forum threads, etc.) you are going to have to do a little work to maintain your site.

    The number of user accounts on a site is not relative to how popular a site is. A huge number of those members may be completely inactive (no votes, submission, or comments), while others being counted may already be marked as Spammers. I recently ran a MySQL query to one Pligg site's database to remove the inactive users and spam accounts and the member number went from something like 7,000 members to under 100.

    Anyone who starts a Pligg site should either manually moderate every new submission, or at least review the content every couple days to remove spam or off-topic content that wasn't caught by Anti-Spam methods. While this is my personal opinion, we can't really enforce users to maintain their sites so you typically see old sites overrun by spam because there is no moderation being applied.

    I am thinking that we may want to include a new feature in Pligg to allow members to discard stories or comments after they receive an overall score of a negative number (ex. -5). That way if there are 5 votes for an article, but 10 negative votes it would trigger Pligg to discard the story. This idea would help Pligg communities self-moderate spam and harassing content.
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    I am thinking that we may want to include a new feature in Pligg to allow members to discard stories or comments after they receive an overall score of a negative number (ex. -5). That way if there are 5 votes for an article, but 10 negative votes it would trigger Pligg to discard the story. This idea would help Pligg communities self-moderate spam and harassing content.
    We already do this. Admin > Configure > Votes > Buries to mark as spam
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    so.. there are pligg users here, that think they have a site with thousands of users, when in fact their site may not have a single real user?

    that may be the saddest thing i have learned in a long time. if that is the case.

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    Pligg Founder/Coder/Designer Yankidank's Avatar
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    If they have any common sense, they should be able to see that their registered members don't represent the number of active users. You should clearly be able to tell that there aren't thousands of participating members if there aren't many users contributing content or casting votes.

    To help demonstrate how many "active members" are on your website, run this query in phpmyadmin to return a list of user accounts. Basically it returns users who have logged in and aren't spammers, and have contributed a vote, comment, or submission.

    Code:
    Select * FROM pligg_users
    WHERE pligg_users.user_lastlogin NOT LIKE '0000-00-00 00:00:00' /* Make sure that the user has logged in once */
    AND pligg_users.user_level != 'Spammer' /* Make sure that the user isn't a known spammer */
    AND (
        /* Here we check if the user has submitted a story, comment, or vote */
        pligg_users.user_id
        IN (
            SELECT link_author
            FROM pligg_links
        )
        OR pligg_users.user_id
        IN (
            SELECT comment_user_id
            FROM pligg_comments
        )
        OR pligg_users.user_id
        IN (
            SELECT vote_user_id
            FROM pligg_votes
        )
    )
    ORDER BY pligg_users.user_id
    Here's a pastebin link for those who want to bookmark this query.

    I just ran that query on the Pligg Demo website, and it returned 47 members out of the registered 2,700. Not the best example to work from, since the demo isn't designed to function like a normal site, but it shows that there are a huge number of what are probably inactive spam accounts.

    Another quick way to get an idea of how many users are contributing is to check your topusers.php page. If you are using the Karma module to manage user karma, it will only display user accounts that have a positive Karma score (active members).
    Last edited by Yankidank; 06-23-2012 at 04:59 PM.
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    just change register.php to signup.php or something else and the spam will drop 90% as the bots won't be able to create accounts

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    Exactly, I discuss that here along with using the Facebook Connect module as the only way of joining/signing-in to your site.

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    Member worldwalker's Avatar
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    so it seems that pligg is being used in a widespread pagerank manipulation scheme, along with ALOT of other social bookmarking sites. so i was missing something. i actually thought the owners of the many spam sites thought that they had real users, when they knowingly just had automated submission bots spamming their site for better pagerank results.

    what is pligg creators stand on forum support for what is clearly spam sites ?

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    Interesting discussion going on here...

    pligg sites are easiest targets for spammers and link submitters(builders) ... but as Yankidank suggested pligg owners have to moderate site every 2 days if possible....i personally moderate my site twice daily, but still having Ton's of spam...

    as the pligg updates and fixes security breaches, the auto submission softwares also get's updated and maintained by their developers,... and there are lot's of techniques to find pligg sites on google...you have to enter one of the statement in google and hit enter.. Boooooo..!!!!! you will get thousands of PLIGGITES

    --> your source for social news and networking
    --> already have an account fantastic log in below


    etc..etc...

    Hope pligg will take some strong steps to at least lessen this thing...

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    Senior Member JoeWa's Avatar
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    As I mentioned before, change the name of your core files (instructions also given previously), modify the language file to change things like "your source for social news and networking" to something unique to your specific site... and my chosen technique is to disable the standard sign-up/login form and replace it with the Facebook Connect module. This means all story submissions are not only made easier for the user, but also the user will be associated with their Facebook account which puts most spammers off. We have had ZERO spam in the month we implemented all these things. The Pligg developers can only do so much to make each site spam-proof... you need to make an effort yourself to customise your site to eliminate spam entries.

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